# "GETTING STARTED WITH EMBER.JS IS EASY." - no it isn't **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [March 20, 2013, 8:05am UTC](https://discuss.emberjs.com/t/getting-started-with-ember-js-is-easy-no-it-isnt/559 "2013-03-20T08:05:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![odigity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/discuss.emberjs.com/odigity/32/14344_2.png) [@odigity](https://discuss.emberjs.com/u/odigity)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 3:34pm UTC](https://discuss.emberjs.com/t/getting-started-with-ember-js-is-easy-no-it-isnt/559/24 "2013-03-20T15:34:53Z")
> They don’t have to do anything but pay taxes and die. For now. I’m working on [the first one](http://freestateproject.com/fsn19). I hear others are working on the second. ---
**Author:** ![mikegrassotti](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/discuss.emberjs.com/mikegrassotti/32/14281_2.png) [@mikegrassotti](https://discuss.emberjs.com/u/mikegrassotti)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://discuss.emberjs.com/t/getting-started-with-ember-js-is-easy-no-it-isnt/559/25 "2013-03-20T16:15:49Z")
@gortok Thx for reaching out, drafting an updated answer now. Had no idea my little SO answer was so highly ranked 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mattsjohnston](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/discuss.emberjs.com/mattsjohnston/32/14457_2.png) [@mattsjohnston](https://discuss.emberjs.com/u/mattsjohnston)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://discuss.emberjs.com/t/getting-started-with-ember-js-is-easy-no-it-isnt/559/26 "2013-03-20T16:50:15Z")
I definitely wouldn’t argue that the Ember documentation is amazing, but if you follow the basic [guide](http://emberjs.com/guides "guide") you’ll get an app running very quickly. The home page isn’t meant to be your guide to starting a new app. ---
**Author:** ![wolfson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a87d85/32.png) [@wolfson](https://discuss.emberjs.com/u/wolfson)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://discuss.emberjs.com/t/getting-started-with-ember-js-is-easy-no-it-isnt/559/27 "2013-03-20T17:25:10Z")
“The tone of this topic is not in line with the civil level of discourse I’d like to maintain here, so I cannot respond.” And yet you did respond, except instead of responding helpfully, recognizing the frustration the poster feels, you responded passive-aggressively, getting in a snit because the poster wasn’t adequately civil. Civility is a false virtue in the first place, but if you think it’s a real virtue, you should either not have responded, or not have responded haughtily. ---
**Author:** ![JohnHaugeland](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/discuss.emberjs.com/johnhaugeland/32/14458_2.png) [@JohnHaugeland](https://discuss.emberjs.com/u/JohnHaugeland)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://discuss.emberjs.com/t/getting-started-with-ember-js-is-easy-no-it-isnt/559/28 "2013-03-20T17:46:55Z")
Being honest, I find this dismissive response far more inappropriate than the post it’s replying to. ---
**Author:** ![pwagenet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/discuss.emberjs.com/pwagenet/32/14172_2.png) [@pwagenet](https://discuss.emberjs.com/u/pwagenet)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://discuss.emberjs.com/t/getting-started-with-ember-js-is-easy-no-it-isnt/559/29 "2013-03-20T18:21:20Z")
I think this is best summed up by @wycats’ earlier post in this thread where he said that we are actively working on trying to address @delvarworld’s concerns. Admittedly, @trek’s response was less than helpful here. I think we’re all in ultimate agreement that there are some significant shortcomings to the Ember on-boarding process. We certainly do want to change this. That said, we also do want to maintain productive, civil discourse here. I understand that the @delvarworld wasn’t intending to be rude, he was just expressing his frustration over what is indeed a frustrating situation. I don’t think there’s too much more constructive to be said on this topic other than to reiterate that the Core Team recognizes @delvarworld’s concerns and is actively trying to address them. If there are any other specific issues that we were not able to address adequately in this thread, please do start a new one. I don’t intend to shut down discussion over all, but I feel that this specific thread is no longer productive. @delvarworld, I hope you accept our apologies for the current state of things and the less than welcoming behavior you received. ---
**Author:** ![pwagenet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/discuss.emberjs.com/pwagenet/32/14172_2.png) [@pwagenet](https://discuss.emberjs.com/u/pwagenet)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://discuss.emberjs.com/t/getting-started-with-ember-js-is-easy-no-it-isnt/559/30 "2013-03-20T18:21:23Z")
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