# Rationale for Data Down, Actions Up?

**URL:** <https://discuss.emberjs.com/t/rationale-for-data-down-actions-up/13830>\
**Category:** Learning Team\
**Created:** [November 1, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://discuss.emberjs.com/t/rationale-for-data-down-actions-up/13830 "2017-11-01T01:27:55Z")\
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**Author:** ![shull](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/discuss.emberjs.com/shull/32/16184_2.png) [@shull](https://discuss.emberjs.com/u/shull)\
**Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://discuss.emberjs.com/t/rationale-for-data-down-actions-up/13830/4 "2017-11-01T16:47:52Z")

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First of all, 😳 YIKES.

Second, I have no idea what would show up there.

Last, how exactly does DDAU solve this problem? If anything, I would expect it to exacerbate this problem because you are necessarily passing around more named values.

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